Johann Rave von Papenheim1310–
- Name
- Johann Rave von Papenheim
| Birth | estimated as equal to wife's birth year about 1310 |
| Birth of a son #1 | Rave XVII von Papenheim-Kugelnburg about 1335 (Age 25 years) |
| Location | 1335 (Age 25 years) |
| Marriage of a child | Rave XVII von Papenheim-Kugelnburg — Ida von Asseln — View this family about 1370 (Age 60 years) |
| Occupation | Burgmann (castle officer) between 1352 and 1382 (Age 42 years) |
| Marriage of a child | Rave XVII von Papenheim-Kugelnburg — Meta von Padberg — View this family between 1380 and 1385 (Age 70 years) |
| Alfred W. Generation |
| Family with Ida von Geismar |
| himself |
Johann Rave von Papenheim Birth: estimated as equal to wife's birth year — about 1310 |
| wife |
Ida von Geismar Birth: estimated a gap of 25 years — about 1310 35 29 |
| son |
Rave XVII von Papenheim-Kugelnburg Birth: estimated as inline with profession (Occu. in FTW) — about 1335 25 25 |